--Theropoda including Marasuchus, Herrerasaurus and Trialestes
--- Panphagia+Pampadromaeus
---- a clade of Pisanosaurus, poposaurs and silesaurids
----- Sauropodomorpha including Saturnalia, Thecodontosaurus and Massospondylus
------ Daemonosaurus + standard Ornithischia
Why is this? I set out to determine the reason. First, I deleted most taxa Peters finds outside Dinosauria, leaving Turfanosuchus and Gracilisuchus as outgroups, as they are close to the base of Avemetatarsalia's sister group in both his and Nesbitt's phylogenies. This way I don't have to deal with all the unrelated taxa I'm unfamiliar with. I also kept in Arizonasaurus, to see if poposaurs would group by it instead. His same topology resulted when I ran this in PAUP, so my deletions didn't affect that. Enforcing traditional Dinosauria and Saurischia took 28 more steps.
I added the 15 saurischian and 11 dinosaurian characters from Nesbitt's analysis missing in Peters' (and also one I thought was coded for- the subnarial foramen, but it turns out Peters only codes for a subnarial fenestra). I used Nesbitt's codings for these, also coding Massospondylus kaalae, Pampadromaeus, Panphagia and Daemonosaurus myself. The new phylogeny excluded Marasuchus from Dinosauria but was otherwise largely the same. It took only 5 more steps to make traditional Dinosauria and Saurischia. A reduction in 23 steps isn't a bad start.
Then I started going through Peters' characters, making them ordered when needed (which sometimes involved rearranging states), and making sure each was only coding for one variable. Luckily, with the non-dinosauriforms mostly deleted, a lot of Peters' characters had far less states in included taxa, so this was much easier than if I were to try it for his whole analysis. Still, it's mighty tedious, so I stopped after doing the 115 cranial and dental characters. During this process of fixing characters, I found 32 miscodings. Being the first taxon in the list, I decided to code Turfanosuchus for these first 115 characters, plus the three extra characters I had spun off of them to keep each one only coding for one variable. Turfanosuchus was miscoded for 33 characters, or 28%, which is pretty terrible. Running the analysis found..... traditional Dinosauria and Saurischia.
-- outgroups
--- Arizonasaurus
---- poposaurs
----- silesaurs
------ Marasuchus
------- Pisanosaurus
-------- Ornithischia
--------- Sauropodomorpha including Saturnalia, Thecodontosaurus and Massospondylus
------------ Daemonosaurus
------------ Panphagia+Pampadromaeus
--------------- Theropoda including Herrerasaurus and Trialestes
It doesn't perfectly match the consensus, but I didn't add any characters for e.g. Crurotarsi, Ornithischia including Pisanosaurus, Sauropodomorpha including Panphagia and Pampadromaeus, silesaurs+dinosaurs, so the fact I didn't get these clades is hardly surprising. What was surprising was how soon this happened. Adding 26 characters and changing 65 cranial states, half of the latter in the basalmost outgroup, and the traditional phylogeny shines through. So why does Peters' analysis find odd topologies- it lacks enough characters, has poorly formed characters, and has numerous miscodings. Fix even a fraction of those issues, and it resembles the traditional consensus.
Below are the gritty details of my alterations, for those who want to slog through them.
4. Changed to
ordered. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1) has a flat skull table.
5. Changed to ordered, states rearranged.
7. Turfanosuchus (Wu
and Russell, 2001- pg. 41) lacks a firm premaxilla-maxilla suture.
10. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
11. The state
"flares over nares" was deleted, only being coded in Arizonasaurus,
which shows no flaring (Nesbitt, 2005, figure 2A). It was recoded as "widest at
midpoint". Turfanosuchus (Wu and
Russell, 2001- fig. 1A) has nasals widest at midpoint.
13. Pampadromaeus is
reconstructed with a smoothly curved dorsal snout edge (Cabreira et al.,
2011). Panphagia doesn't preserve a
premaxilla, so can't be coded (Martinez
and Alcober, 2009). Herrerasaurus has a
smoothly curved left side (Sereno and Novas, 1993, figure 1A), and is the only
remaining taxon coded as "convex, angled over naris", so the only two
useful states are straight and convex. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001-
fig. 1B, 2A) does not preserve the anterodorsal corner of the snout.
14. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
Heterodontosaurus is the only taxon coded "notch for fang",
but that's unrelated to the angle of its subnarial notch, and indeed other taxa
like Coelophysis also have dentary fangs which enter their notch. As Heterodontosaurus' notch has a high angle
of 124-130 degrees (Norman et al., 2011, figures 4 and 5), it is recoded as
having a notch over 45 degrees. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1B)
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15. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
21. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1B) has a naris less than rwice as long as tall.
22. Composite
character- examine taxa. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1A) has a
dorsolaterally oriented external naris.
23. The state
"snout tip or elongated" combines naris placement, with naris
elongation, the latter of which was covered by character 21. It is redefined as "snout tip"
only. This character also combines
anteroposterior naris placement with dorsolateral naris placement, the latter
which is already coded for by character 22.
So all taxa coded "snout tip but elevated" are recoded
"snout tip". Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1B; anterior
edge 10% down preorbital length) has nares placed near the snout tip.
24. Thecodontosaurus
is the only taxon coded as lacking a posterolateral premaxillary process
(presumably based on Pantydraco), but the posterior premaxilla and anterior
maxilla are unpreserved (Galton and Kermack, 2011). Thus the state is removed and the taxon
recoded unknown.
25. Changed to
ordered.
27. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1B) has maxilla-orbit contact.
28. The state
"descending anteriorly" actually indicates a ventrally concave
maxilla. The character is thus changed
to ordered, and the states rearranged so that "straight" is in the
middle.
37. This ratio is so
close in Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1B) that it should be coded
as unknown, since the paroccipital process would add an unknown amount to the
skull length.
38. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
41. This character (Frontal-parietal
suture: (0) not; (1) straight and longer than nasal-frontal suture) involves
both length and straightness. Yet taxa
like Turfanosuchus have frontoparietal sutures which are bent and longer than
their frontonasal suture. Thus character
41 is changed to only code for straightness, and new character 258 codes for
length.
43. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 42) has maxilla-prefrontal contact.
45. deBraga and
Rieppel (1997) define the frontal lateral process as "a distinct lateral
lappet (process) that projects out from the frontal margins at an abrupt 70° to
90° angle." This is lacking in Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1A).
48. This character
coded for postparietal orientation, and all included taxa are coded as state 3
"absent". But character 47
covered absence of postparietals, so the taxa are recoded inapplicable for 48.
50. Peters defines
this character as "Temporal ledge (distinct overhang at upper temporal
area): (0) no ledge; (1) made from squamosal; (2) made from supratemporal and
tabular. [Gauthier et al. 1988, Laurin & Reisz 1995, Hill 2005]." Yet none of those references include such a
character. If he meant Gauthier et al.'s
character 10 " Temporal
musculature originates ventrally (0), or dorsally (1), on the parietal table"
and Hill's character 91 " Temporal muscles on parietal table: (0) originate
ventrolaterally – parietal margin straight; (1) originate dorsolaterally – parietal
lateral margin embayed", that
involves the medial edge of the supratemporal fenestra, not the lateral
edge.
52. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
53. This character
codes for the presence of postorbital-parietal contact, but dinosaurs and
shuvosaurs are coded as state 3 "Postfrontal-Postorbital fusion",
which does not relate to whether the postorbital contacts the parietal. Postfrontal fusion is coded for character 54
anyway. All taxa coded as state 3 are
recoded. Herrerasaurus (Sereno and
Novas, 1993- figure 1G), Coelophysis (Colbert, 1989- figure 29), possibly Pampadromeus
(Cabreira et al., 2011- figure 2; though reconstructed), Massospondylus kaalae
(Barrett, 2010- figure 4), Pantydraco (Yates, 2003- figure 2C), Scelidosaurus
(Owen, 1861) and Heterodontosaurus (Norman et al., 2011- figure 12) lack
contact. Lesothosaurus (Sereno, 1991-
pg. 179) and Shuvosaurus (Lehane, 2005- figure 6) have narrow contact. Gracilisuchus (Romer, 1972- figure 1), Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- figure 1), Agilisaurus (Peng, 1992- figure 1B) and
Effigia (Nesbitt, 2007- figure 11) have broad contact. Tawa does not preserve a
published parietal (Nesbitt et al., 2009), and the medial surface of the
postorbital has not been described, so should be coded unknown. Similarly, Daemonosaurus cannot be
coded. I can't code Lotosaurus from published
data.
54. Included taxa
lacking postfrontals are coded as state 3- postfrontal fused to intertemporal,
which is wrong as these taxa lack intertemporals as well. They are recoded as merely lacking
postfrontals.
57. This character
codes for the angle of the frontonasal suture.
A separate state is assigned to Gracilisuchus and Arizonasaurus for a zig-zag
suture, but the straightness of each suture is a different variable than the
angle between sutures. The suture in
Gracilisuchus is roughly transverse (Romer, 1972- figure 1), while in
Arizonasaurus the "anterior edge of
the frontal is incompletely preserved, so the articulation to the nasal is not
known". Gracilisuchus is thus
recoded as transverse, and Arizonasaurus recoded unknown.
59. Changed to
ordered. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell,
2001- fig. 1A, based on parietal) has paroccipital processes angled more than
40 degrees posteriorly.
60. Most taxa are
coded "postfrontal fused to frontal", so this is another character
correlated with the postfrontal absence character 54. As this character codes for
postfrontal-supratemporal fenestra contact, taxa without a postfrontal are
recoded inapplicable.
61. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 2A) has more jugal posterior to the postorbital
process than anterior to it.
62. Changed to
ordered.
64. Changed to
ordered.
65. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 4B) has a concave posterior quadrate edge.
67. Changed to
ordered. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell,
2001- fig. 1B) seems to have postorbital-jugal contact.
69. This character
is coding for two things- shape of the posterior indentation of the
laterotemporal fenestra, and squamosal-quadratojugal contact. The latter is separated here as character
256.
72. Changed to
ordered.
73. Changed to
ordered.
74. The
disarticulation in Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001) makes it uncertain how
much of the quadrate was exposed laterally.
75. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 1A and 2A)
had quadrate condyles far posterior to its occiput.
76. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 2A) had a
jaw articulation roughly on level with its maxilla.
79. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 43) has a basioccipital fused to its
opisthotic-exoccipital.
82. This character
codes for supratemporal-squamosal contact, with all scorable taxa coded "st
absent or fused", but supratemporal absence/fusion was coded by character
81. Thus the taxa are recoded
inapplicable.
83. This character
codes for supratemporal-postorbital contact, with all scorable taxa coded "Supratemporal
and squamosal are fused", but supratemporal absence/fusion was coded by
character 81. Thus the taxa are recoded
inapplicable. Oddly, Arizonasaurus and
Saturnalia were coded as having supratemporal absence/fusion for this character
despite not being coded for the previous two.
The disarticulated nature of Arizonasaurus' skull means it can't be
coded, while the posterior skull of Saturnalia has yet to be described in
detail. Both are recoded as unknown.
86. Disarticulation and
partial preservation prevent knowing whether the sides of the occiput converged
dorsally in Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001).
87. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 43, fig. 5) does not preserve the vomer or anterior
palatine, so cannot be coded for a vomeronasal fenestra.
88. This character
codes for palatine contact with the vomeronasal fenestra (vno), but all
included taxa lack the latter (character 87), so should be coded inapplicable,
not "palatine does not approach vno".
90. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 43) has premaxilla-choana contact.
92. Included taxa
are coded as having one of three states for choanal position- lateral (0); medial
vomers narrow (1); medial rostral pinch (2).
Herrerasaurus and Coelophysis are the two taxa coded as having a rostral
pinch. In Herrerasaurus, only the
posteriormost portion of the vomer is preserved, and is only viewable laterally
(Sereno and Novas, 1993- pg. 458). It
can't be distinguished in CT scans either, so I guess Peters scored it from the
dotted hypothetical vomer in Sereno and Novas' figures 7 and 8. The preserved palatines visible in the CT
scan do indicate the choanae were placed medially though. Colbert (1989- figure 43A) reconstructed
Coelophysis as having a rostral pinch, but his figures are widely derided as
inaccurate, no photographed specimen shows transverse width of the vomer or
palatine, and indeed he indicates how tentative this area's interpretation is
with " the
palatine probably forms the posterior-medial border of the naris (sharing this
border with the vomer)". Even if
Coelophysis does have the pinch, it would not share it with other included
taxa, making the state useless. So
states 1 and 2 are combined as "medial". The only taxon coded as having laterally
placed choanae is Pantydraco, but that doesn't even preserve the vomer or
anterior palatine (Yates, 2003- fig. 2B), so cannot be coded.
93. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 43, fig. 5) does not preserve the vomer or anterior
palatine, so cannot be coded for choanal size.
95. Included taxa are either coded as having an
interpterygoid vacuity that tapers sharply (0) or "palatines are parallel"
(4), which doesn't even involve pterygoid vacuity shape. Of taxa coded 4, Herrerasaurus' pterygoids
are preserved pressed together (Sereno and Novas, 1993- figure 1F), which would
be state 2 (absent, no interpterygoid vacuity).
This was assumed to be taphonomic by the authors who reconstructed it as
having state 0 (figure 7D), but it could just as easily be state 3 (open
anteriorly). So I would code it 0/2/3. Turfanosuchus was also coded 4, but has a
sharply tapered vacuity (Wu and Russell, 2001- figure 5). Gracilisuchus has state 3 (Romer, 1972- fig.
3).
96. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 93) does not preserve the vomer, so cannot be coded
for vomeral teeth.
98. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged.
101. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 43) lacks teeth on the pterygoid transverse flange.
104. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 5) has a sharply angled pterygoid transverse
flange.
105. You define this
character as "Pterygoid shape: (0) broad triangle; (1) narrow; ... [other
states]" and credit it to Rieppel (1998) and Mueller and Reisz (2006). But the only similar characters in those
analyses are 44 in the former "Pterygoid flanges well developed (0) or
strongly reduced (1)" and 18 in the latter " Pterygoid: transverse flange broad-based and distinctly
angular (0) or narrow and tonguelike (1) in ventral view." The covered anterior portion of the flange in
Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 5) makes it uncodable.
106. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- fig. 5) has prominent basipterygoid processes.
107. This codes for
the presence of palatal teeth, which are already covered by character 100 and
101. Thus it is deleted.
108. Changed to
ordered, states rearranged. Also, the state
"one, two or three" was divided into three states, one for each
different number of premaxillary teeth. Turfanosuchus (Wu and Russell, 2001-
pg. 44) has five premaxillary teeth. Trialestes
only preserves the posterior part of the premaxilla bearing two teeth (Reig,
1963- fig. 6), so can only be coded as having at least two teeth. Daemonosaurus has three teeth (Sues et al.,
2011). Scelidosaurus has five teeth
(Norman et al., 2004- pg. 335).
110. This codes for
premaxillary teeth being robust (0) or tiny or absent (1). As character 108 already coded for
premaxillary toothlessness, state 1 is changed to "tiny", and taxa
without premaxillary teeth are coded inapplicable.
114. Changed to
ordered.
115. This codes for
maxillary tooth morphology. State 4
"toothless" is deleted as character 114 codes for that. Taxa without maxillary teeth are recoded
inapplicable. Tooth basal constriction
is made into a new character- 257. Teeth being sharp vs. blunt is better
expressed as serrations being small vs. large, as taxa coded as having blunt
teeth like Pantydraco actually have sharp tips (Yates, 2003- fig. 9) but large
serrations.
256. Turfanosuchus
(Wu and Russell, 2001- pg. 42) does not show definite evidence of
quadratojugal-squamosal contact.
Mickey, Thank you for your efforts.
ReplyDeletePlease send me the MacClade file and your tree.
Miscodings galore in Turfanosuchus? I'd like to see those and your references. That was a tough one to code. I downloaded your comments and will be able to reply as I digest them.
Dave
I honestly believe that this analysis should be published in a peer review academic journal (as many other excellent posts coming from the archive section of TDBB).
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Mickey,
ReplyDeleteJust ran your MacClade file through PAUP and it recovers 11 trees as you indicated with Turfanosuchus and Gracilisuchus (carnivores) at the base giving rise to Poposaurids (herbivores), then Silesaurids (herbivores), then Marasuchus (carnivore), then Pisanosaurus (herbivore), then a split between Ornithischians (herbivores) and Saurischians led by Sauropodomorphs on one branch (herbivores) and Daemonosaurus (?vore) at the base of Panphagia + Pampadromaeus (herbivores) and theropods (carnivores). As you can see this is a varied mix of herbies and carnies, which is not the case in the Large Reptile Tree, which you were testing. In the LRT the carnies were basal, giving rise via PP&D to herbies. It is also the case in the LRT that removal of any taxa or clades does little to nothing to shift the remaining taxa. It's a stable tree. However, in your tree, if you remove the poposaurids, then the topology reverts to the LRT with carnies at the base. Try it and replicate the experiment, then get back to me with your thoughts.
Dave Peters
Poposaurus was carnivorous, as Parker and Nesbitt (2013) show with their cranial material, so your tree has to deal with that too. Daemonosaurus also shows no reason to doubt carnivory- its lateral teeth were recurved and compressed with small serrations like most carnivorous archosaurs. The anterior teeth were rounded in section, but that's true of things like megalosaurs (e.g. Duriavenator) and Compsognathus too. It doesn't matter though, as your tree is based on miscodings. It can look as neat and tidy as it wants, but if the input's wrong, the output has no credibility. Ditto for how well your tree survives taxon deletion (note "my" tree is still mostly yours- I haven't changed any postcranial characters or codings, and only corrected two taxa for all cranial characters when I sent you the file; so the matrix you're complaining is unstable is really yours with half the character formulations fixed and 1.4% of the entries changed).
DeleteTake your Theropoda with Marasuchus, Trialestes and SMNS 12352, for instance. Of cranial characters diagnosing it... one is a narrow skull, but how could you code this for Marasuchus or Trialestes? We only have lateral views of both. Another is maxillary palatal process present, but again how could you code Trialestes which only has a lateral view published? You only code the character as lacking in three "phytodinosaurs"- "Thecodontosaurus"(=Pantydraco) and Pisanosaurus which don't preserve the anterior maxilla so cannot be coded, and Lesothosaurus which actually has it (Sereno, 1991 figure 5D). Another is an anteriorly pinched interchoanal rod, but that's unknown for Herrerasaurus (you used the dotted hypothetical vomer in Sereno and Novas' figure), again uncodable for Trialestes which has no palatal information available, which leaves only Coelophysis coded for it (itself questionable). Going further into Theropoda, Marasuchus was joined with Coelophysis, Tawa and SMNS 12352 based on characters like nasals with parallel sides, when Marasuchus doesn't preserve a nasal and SMNS 12352's nasal is expanded posteriorly, making both of your codings wrong. For the same node, you code them as having a naris angled less than 30 degrees downwards, but SMNS 12352 doesn't preserve any narial border, while Trialestes' preserved ventral border suggests a highly angled naris. And again for that node, paroccipital processes angled >40 degrees posteriorly, but Marasuchus' are transverse. I could go on. Gracilisuchus has 32 miscodings, Arizonasaurus has 53, Trialestes has 26, Marasuchus has 24, SMNS 12352 has 17. Each out of 115.
So yes your trees are stable, but only because your data is wrong. Yet as I correct it, your tree's looking more and more like the consensus. After I recoded the above taxa for cranial characters, Trialestes and SMNS 12352 are kicked out of Dinosauria, and we still have traditional Dinosauria and Saurischia. I'd love to debate the differences between our data, but what's important are the codings we put in, not the characters of the trees that come out.
PS I encourage you to take another look at the many shared traits of Gracilisuchus and Herrerasaurus, which are close kin in the LRT, but are widely separated in your recovered tree.
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