tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post4592842009178560013..comments2024-03-17T01:48:59.504-07:00Comments on The Theropod Database Blog: It's finally January 1, 200n and Phylonyms is published!Mickey Mortimerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08831823442911513851noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-15167660786956624632020-06-10T11:05:44.796-07:002020-06-10T11:05:44.796-07:00closerclose<b>r</b>David Marjanovićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00233722577300632805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-69097250853979584932020-06-10T11:04:55.581-07:002020-06-10T11:04:55.581-07:00Pan-Archosauria is working exactly as intended. &q...Pan-Archosauria is working exactly as intended. "Total group" means "everything close to a certain crown group than any other crown group"; as long as the crown group Archosauria excludes the extant turtles, so does Pan-Archosauria by definition. I'm afraid the clade Gauthier originally named Archosauromorpha will have to be called Pan-Archelosauria, though the ugly named Archelosauria <a href="https://www.phyloregnum.org/" rel="nofollow">isn't registered so far</a>, so if you can come up with a better name you can still publish it.David Marjanovićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00233722577300632805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-22678804941968493982020-06-10T11:00:22.203-07:002020-06-10T11:00:22.203-07:00Ah, thanks. I went by the date of the oldest relat...Ah, thanks. I went by the date of the oldest related file I found on my computer.<br /><br />All names and definitions from the book are now included in <a href="https://www.phyloregnum.org/" rel="nofollow">RegNum</a>, the official registration database. <a href="https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/science/phylocode-system-for-naming-organisms/" rel="nofollow">The press release</a> is out, too, so I am now partying (introvertedly) like it's 1758. :-)David Marjanovićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00233722577300632805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-11022107269308986862020-06-09T14:02:29.392-07:002020-06-09T14:02:29.392-07:00The Pan-Archosauria thing ends up falling apart co...The Pan-Archosauria thing ends up falling apart completely. Their obvious intent was for it to encompass the whole archosaur-side of Diapsida, like Archosauromorpha traditionally would. But this does not account for the presence of Testudines on that branch, which ends up shifting Pan-Archosauria to one node up of wherever turtles are and leaving no name at all for the intended total group. If they're on the lepidosaur branch Pan-Lepidosauria ends up with this issue instead.<br /><br />I like the Ungulata definition, it's designed not to work in every tree. Since, y'know, it would be silly if it included carnivorans. So make it self-destruct in a topology which makes the term dumb. I think Ornithopoda could really use something like this with Hypsilophodon's inclusion...Amber Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04687388353006696077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-76219113769325084822020-06-02T12:33:03.177-07:002020-06-02T12:33:03.177-07:00The projected had started by March 2006, when I re...The projected had started by March 2006, when I received an invitation to contribute one or more avian chapters. Needless to say, I am thrilled to see this volume being published. <br /><br />Here is a list of the names that are defined in the book:<br />https://www.routledge.com/Phylonyms-A-Companion-to-the-PhyloCode-1st-Edition/de-Queiroz-Cantino-Gauthier/p/book/9781138332935George Sangsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08174490823444347814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-24627256698071631872020-05-31T15:07:39.866-07:002020-05-31T15:07:39.866-07:00I'm not yet partying like it's 1758; RegNu...I'm not yet partying like it's 1758; RegNum isn't online yet, and the press release isn't out yet either. Both might happen tomorrow, though.<br /><br /><i>If you want people to start using your format, you might want to choose symbols that exist on a standard keyboard.</i><br /><br />Meh. I'm used to firing up the character map for my own name.<br /><br /><i>Alt+2207 is supposed to generate it in Windows, but results in ƒ here in Blogger. Anyone know the correct Unicode numbers?</i><br /><br />No, that's 2207 in hexadecimal numbers, which you can't type. Supposedly Alt+8711 does it, but that gives me •.<br /><br />However, there's an HTML entity for it: &nabla; – test: ∇<br /><br /><i>It's rather odd the same authors didn't choose the same specifiers for each dinosaurian clade as they did in the previous definition, leaving us without a neat node-stem triplet.</i><br /><br />That is very odd indeed.<br /><br /><i>Ornithoscelida and its consequences are mentioned, but I'm glad more time is not taken up with it as I expect the hypothesis to fall away as Baron's phylogenetic mistakes are not followed by future authors.</i><br /><br />And if you sent me the trees, we could <b>publish</b> that pretty soon.<br /><br /><i>But this doesn't exist in molecular studies</i><br /><br />It does in at least half of them. This hypothesis (not the clade; the hypothesis) has long been named Euungulata.<br /><br />Ultraconserved elements show the diversification of Laurasiatheria wasn't quite treelike anyway: there was a lot of incomplete lineage sorting and/or introgression.<br /><br /><i>Finally, we get Pan-Lepidosauria for the total group of lepidosaurs, which has been Lepidosauromorpha for over thirty years.</i><br /><br />Jacques Gauthier believes he personally owns these names and can do to them whatever he wants even after 32 years of common usage. He seems to have drastically underestimated his impact on the field.<br /><br /><i>something 20 years in the making</i><br /><br />Well, most contributions were complete in 2012, not long after the project actually started (that was not in 2000, but in 2007). Then we had to change publishers and I don't know what else, on top of late reviews and late contributions.<br /><br /><i>Nothing could be negotiated in over two decades?</i><br /><br />Authors were, unfortunately, not told about the contents of chapters other than their own; all negotiations about a name happened between its authors, the reviewers and the editors.<br /><br /><i>1st Edition</i><br /><br />There are not supposed to be any further ones!David Marjanovićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00233722577300632805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248412803814730250.post-86360806504838090002020-05-30T10:39:09.888-07:002020-05-30T10:39:09.888-07:00"But this doesn't exist in molecular stud..."But this doesn't exist in molecular studies, including those of ultraconserved elements, which consistently place carnivorans, pangolins and bats closer to perrisodactyls."<br /><br />A clade of Perissodactyla + Artiodactyla to the exclusion of other laurasiatheres actually has been recovered by several recent molecular studies, including <a href="https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/8/2/330/2574016" rel="nofollow">Tarver et al. (2016)</a>, <a href="https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/9/9/2308/4095375" rel="nofollow">Esselstyn et al. (2017)</a>, and <a href="https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3000494" rel="nofollow">Upham et al. (2019)</a>.<br /><br />Otherwise agreed regarding the puzzling nature of several decisions taken in this volume...Albertonykushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00345306530772709064noreply@blogger.com